Twitter Tuesday is back: Chiefs, K-State, Mizzou, KU, Sporting KC, Frank White and nonsense
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I mentioned this on Twitter last night, so bear with me, but I was about an hour into raking leaves last night — nothing turns you against big and ancient trees like raking — when the nicest man in our neighborhood comes over to say Hi. I don’t know how old he is, but he told me a few weeks ago that he used to know Joe McGuff fairly well.
Anyway, he mostly just wanted to tell me I didn’t have to do all that bagging, that if I wait a few weeks and rake everything into the street that the city will come by and sweep everything up. Then he asks if I was going to watch the baseball game, I say yes, ask who he’s rooting for, and then he says that not only did he grow up a New York Giants fan but he and his wife got married the year Willie Mays got called up.
Read that last sentence again.
Mays got called up in 1951.
What a life, I hope to get in the next county over so, like my friend Kevin Kaduk says, someday I can tell people I got married in Bryce Harper’s rookie year.
This week’s food recommendation is the short rib marmalade spread at The Jacobson, and I’ve got two reading recommendations:
The incredibly talented Jeff MacGregor on the homestretch of the Jeter Era, and Luke Dittrich in Esquire on the science that went behind Felix Baumgartner’s sky dive from outer space.
Anyway, another busy week so let’s get to it and, as always, thanks for your help.
@MattN99 why would you leave us stranded for a whole week!
Aw, that’s sweet. As some of you know, my mom and her husband have been in town the last week or so. My mom might be about what you’d picture: endlessly nice, always wanting to know what’s going on, how she can help, and recently retired from a career in the performing arts that had me excited to take her to the Kauffman Center over the weekend for a show^.
^ Someone should tell the guys at Between The Lines that Carmina Burana totally stole their theme song.
But here’s where you know she’s my mom. They’re headed back home in the morning, so I asked if there was anything we hadn’t done or seen that she wanted to check off the list.
Her answer: Oklahoma Joe’s.
@DoubleJSTL Clark & Company are grossly underestimating the Chiefs fan base regarding our anger & frustration toward the organization.
One of the things I’m trying to figure out this morning is what the organization really thinks about all of this. I think there are a lot of misperceptions out there about Clark, many of them his own fault because he does a pretty terrible job of communicating to fans. I don’t think, for instance, that he’s cheaper than your uncle. Or that he cares about the team only as a business.
While I was off last week, for instance, I heard some say that Pioli’s media tour was unprecedented or somehow done to save his job. But, guys, he did the same thing last year during the bye week and, if I remember right, the year before as well.
He’s been bad at his job and worse at public relations, but last week wasn’t some gun-to-the-head effort to save his career here.
@wushock75 Sam shove your facts we just want to critique Pioli for everything he does; also can you investigate if he used steroids ?
@EricHe1091 is it just me or is it possible the chiefs rally to 6-10, pioli doesn’t get fired, chiefs don’t draft a qb and keep Cassel.
There are a million different ways to quantify just how lost this season is. The most obvious include fans flying a banner over Arrowhead calling for Pioli to be fired, rampant booing at every home game, a right tackle’s misguided and misleading rant against fans, and a quarterback “controversy” between two pretty bad quarterbacks.
But now we can add this to the list: Twitter Tuesday questions fearing the chiefs RALLY TO 6-10, because that might mean the GM doesn’t get fired and the quarterback sticks around.
Pour a drink, Kansas City.
Let’s talk about something more successful, like, I don’t know…
@KCScubaSteve This #EMAW thing is really taking off. Chances they make it to the ‘ship?
This is another thing I’m going to try to get a better grasp on this week. I’m headed to Manhappenin’ for the Texas Tech game, but it’s fair to say that even at No. 3 in the BCS rankings and the top two teams guaranteed at least one loss between them (they’d play in the SEC title game) that K-State doesn’t necessarily control it’s own fate.
With a blowout win over Miami, a win in Norman, and a blowout win in Morgantown, K-State has as impressive a collection of wins as anyone. But Oregon has two road games against top 10 teams (USC and Oregon State) remaining, plus a game against No. 17 Stanford.
What’s interesting is that Oklahoma could do K-State an enormous favor this weekend by beating Notre Dame. If the Irish win, that would give them a really impressive list of wins: over Oklahoma, plus potentially the Big 10 (Michigan) and Pac-12 (Stanford or, potentially, USC) champions.
Like I say, I’m going to try to get a better handle on this during the week. But it’s definitely possible.
@BrandanKC Over/under on 1.5 BCS bowl games for Big 12 teams. #TT
It’s Oklahoma or bust, and a big chunk of it will come based on whether they beat Notre Dame. If that’s the way it ends up happening, I’m going to take the over because I think Oklahoma is playing really well right now and I think Notre Dame is a little overhyped (imagine that).
@countzerokc If I want to go as a FHAH for Halloween this year what am I looking for costume wise? #twittertuesday
Well, obviously a wig that makes you look like a 30-something boy band reject. And you’re going to want a button-down shirt, preferably a little wrinkly, and definitely untucked. Jeans and some pseudo-stylish sneakers should complete the wardrobe. Top it off with a chicken wing in one hand, a Tank 7 in the other, and you should be good to go.
Oh, and whenever possible, you should do this sort-of embarrassing giggle at people’s jokes and occasionally summarize your thoughts with things like, “the world is a complicated place.”
Bonus points if you have a smokeshow wife.
@ClintT13 I still have a bottle of Saisson-Brett I bought to celebrate MU’s 1st SEC win. Point of pride (willpower) or shame (0-4 in SEC)?
It’s a little of both, but no offense, much more shame. I have this picture in my head of you opening your own fridge, minding your own business, and being taunted by the unopened sweet nectar that is Saisson-Brett.
And, much like a grieving child, I’m not sure whether the sadder part is you always seeing that bottle stare back at you or the point where the bottle just becomes a permanent part of the background.
Either way, I applaud you for both your means of celebration and your willpower in holding true. And I empathize with your difficult spot.
You know, you could change the rules and say you bought it for basketball. Because the hoops team should be pretty badass.
@informedblackmn Has anyone thanked you lately for keeping politics out of your work? Thank you. #straightup
Oh, my man, learned that lesson long ago. I don’t care about your politics, and you shouldn’t care about mine. Way too much of that this time of year anyway.
@tijuana_gringo some mizzou fans (incl me) are turning into temporary (for now) ksu fans. Diff confs so now we can fully support both right?
It depends. If this is limited to watching the games or highlights, and (mostly) quietly rooting on Bill Snyder And The Fighting Kleins, then, sure, I’ll allow it. But you can’t start bragging about them at the bar, or talking about minutiae like the offensive line play or the push of the d-line or the coverage schemes.
And, I hope this goes without saying, you absolutely cannot buy any K-State gear.
But if you just like their story and how they play, then absolutely, root on.
@toddpharmd Sorry for the pessimism, but how active is KSU in finding Snyder’s replacement? He can’t do this forever.
While working on that story, I did talk to some people in and around the program about this. Nobody is in denial that a 73-year-old coach will keep going forever, coaching not only Kevin Lockett’s son Tyler but then his grandson in another few decades.
But everyone — up to and including Bill Snyder himself and his wife Sharon — are clear that there is no set timetable on how much longer he’ll do it. Snyder will decide when he’s done, and then they’ll move on from there.
Snyder has said here and other places that he’d like his son Sean to take over, but there are a lot of factors that will go into that decision.
The one thing I did take away is that K-State decision makers are going to use the failed transition to Ron Prince as a learning opportunity, to take a closer look at what went wrong, what they didn’t see, what they didn’t do, and make the next transition better.
I’d also say this: there’s only one Bill Snyder, and expectations should reflect that fact.
@PowercatZac Now that both major sports teams in KC are a utter disaster and laughingstock, how long till you move on to a better job?
Well, look. I may not be the smartest guy you know (shut up), but I do hope we can agree that I’m bright enough that I would’ve been out of here a long time ago if I just wanted to be around winning sports teams. Bills Self and Snyder can only do so much, you know.
I can’t say I’ll be around forever, but it’ll take more than Scott Pioli failing at his job to make me leave.
@markmksu Even though Geno hasn’t won Heisman how about KSU’s weird success again Heisman winners RG3/Palmer/J. White/R. Williams/E Crouch?
I hadn’t thought about it from that perspective, but, yeah, that’s something. I will say that although KSU beat Baylor last year, RG3 didn’t exactly get shut down, particularly in the first half.
@itsindachubs15 chiefs=bye, no chance for L STILL discussed more than SKC win/draw from East Champs..when will a champ. team be supported in KC?
Look, I LOVE what Sporting KC is doing and has already done. Absolutely love it. They’re a model. But you will drive yourself crazy if you compare the attention and buzz SKC generates to the Chiefs or Royals, even in the worst times.
I’m planning on being at the game tomorrow night, and I’ll continue to follow them through the playoffs, but it’s just not realistic to think they should be above the Chiefs in the local pecking order. Sorry, that’s just the truth.
But, also, sellout crowds and what I expect to be increased attention from a lot of people around town the next month or so means the team is well supported.
@DoubleJSTL In the rich history of USC quarterbacks; there has never been one to start and win a Super Bowl. Give me anyone but Barkley.
No offense, but that’s a completely irrelevant fact. Judge the players independently. If you think Barkley doesn’t have the aptitude or work ethic or arm strength to be a good NFL quarterback, cool. But you shouldn’t punish him for what Carson Palmer didn’t do any more than you should give KU’s running backs credit for what Gale Sayers did.
Barkley or Geno Smith, either one, would be an ENORMOUS upgrade over what the Chiefs have now. The decision should be who is better, and whether it’s worth it to trade up for the pick, if necessary.
@T_Kohn Just a more general question: as a writer for the Star do you get to pick your own topics or are they assigned?
For the most part, my bosses are good enough to let me decide what I write. They’ll give me ideas, and general topics, but leave it up to me to decide how to proceed.
The Snyder column is a good example of their help. That idea was shaped in large part by a bunch of conversations over a period of time.
One of the things I really appreciate is that when/if I just flat-out disagree with them on an issue, they either drop it or encourage me to write the disagreement.
@Thuettenmueller The chiefs have ruined football, dont like the teams in the WS, so how bout some basketball? What is the ceiling for KU?
Another very Kansas City question. I’m high on KU, again, which I guess is like saying I’m high on barbecue. It’s remarkable that KU can lose — by far — its two best players and return a top 10 team. This is as good an example of any as the “Kansas math” Self refers to sometimes, where his teams lose studs and come back to higher expectations than the year before.
I hear that the incoming freshmen, with the notable exception of Perry Ellis, have been underwhelming. But Ellis should be a stud, and last year there were people in the program who said Ben McLemore — technically a redshirt last year — was the third best player in practice.
With Withey and Elijah Johnson and Travis Releford and especially Self, there’s no reason to think KU can’t be one of the country’s best teams again. Seems to me that college basketball as a whole should be down this year.
@TarH2O23 Twitter Tuesday: Is it time for Frank to just let this go? Or is there a way he keeps bringing this up without seeming petty?
Yes to the first question. No to the second.
Look, I like Frank. Most of the people inside the Royals’ offices like Frank. But this continued bickering is a bad look for a man of enough accomplishment and grace that he should be above it.
In some real ways, the Royals did screw Frank. But in some equally real ways, Frank screwed himself. The Royals have been a losing franchise for nearly two full decades, a time that vaguely coincides with Frank’s retirement, and he is a local icon so a portion of the fan base will take his side no matter what.
That’s perfectly understandable, and he probably deserves that, but he’s also not blameless in this. He made mistakes that he hasn’t recognized.
I’ve pointed this out before, and Frank gets mad when I do this, but he’s had problems with the Royals for decades — a span that includes different managers, different general managers, different players, different front offices and even different owners. He has to accept at least some of the blame.
But more than any of that, a man of his accomplishment and stature shouldn’t be such a magnet for all this drama.
@prezmike25 we just had a baby, what should I tell him about Kansas City sports teams? #thetruthhurts #twittertuesday
Ah, yes, you are very wise to seek the counsel of an asshat who has no children. But I would tell you to let the little guy figure some of this out for himself, sort of like you’re supposed to do with Santa Claus. Don’t discourage his fandom. Don’t temper his expectations, and whatever you do, do not push him toward the Cardinals or Patriots or some other team that actually, ya-know, wins.
You have a blank slate of sports disappointment here, so treat that delicately. If the little man decides he wants to root for the Royals, buy him a Billy Butler jersey. If he decides he wants to root for the Chiefs, teach him the tomahawk chop.
But there will come a time — maybe when he’s five, maybe when he’s nine, maybe when he’s 16 — when he asks why it’s always the other team celebrating and that’s when you need to dad up.
Explain to him what he was born into, that it’s not his fault, that he didn’t do anything to deserve this but that there are benefits in all of this too. Tell him the payoff will be sweeter, and that his suffering grants him membership in a tight-knit and passionate club, and that maybe other kids learn about disappointment from a book or TV show but he’ll learn it from watching sports.
Then tell him you love him. He’ll need the reminder.
@LarryMcCammon I don’t drink anymore… so where do my tears go???
You know, we could do worse for a new slogan for Kansas City sports.